FuglyDuck

My dishwasher is completely fine without the cloud. Period. Full stop.

OP reports loss of functionality. Functions, that are, quite frankly standard features on all not-IoT machines. Functionality which, frankly, you paid for, and which in no way actually require homecontrol to use.

There is no need to put it on the network, but if you want to, and are paranoid, you can connect it to an isolated network. If you dont want to, dont, and the dishwasher will work.

only if you find it acceptable to not have full functionality. “you can put it on an isolated network”… is very much like “let them eat cake.”

Particularly if you consider the trend to force this in all sorts of things- ranging from toasters, refridgerators, ovens, stovetops, coffee makers, etc. Inorder to adequately protect mimizie the risks associated with these devices, you’d have to have a dedicated network for each one.

and yes, the reason they’re forcing you to use the home control app to get these features is to intrude into your privacy.

Notifications aside, none of the functions it enables require internet access, or even network access. There’s exactly zero reason to put it on the network. And as for notifications, I don’t know anyone that’s going to rush home or stop what they’re doing to put dishes away the moment the machine is finished cleaning them. is it possible you’re an exception to that? sure. I guess. but the vast majority of people- in my experience- won’t be finding anything that actually requires internet for to be all that useful.

Which- in case there was any confusion- is why they shut off functions people use all the time. To force people to use their app. Which, if they weren’t some how making money off that app, ask yourself why they’d care?

They’re making money off the app. which suggests they’re selling something they get from the app. (I suppose they could be using your IoT devices to mine crypto when you’re not using it… but that’s got it’s own issues.)

This is pathetic.

I’m glad you enjoy your home connect. A dishwasher shouldn’t need an internet connection to function. Period. Full stop.

“Just put it on an isolated network” is ridiculous advice, when there shouldn’t even be a need.

Even if you assume there are no vulnerabilities to find, even if you assume their administrators are never evil, the only reason to require cloud service is to invade my privacy and collect data.

That’s it. They’re selling your data. Maybe you are fine with that. We are not.

would you believe me if I said I meant bowler cap? or maybe a top hat?

(and this is where I find out that Hannah Montana linux uses a top hat for a logo, lol)

<chuckles> We use dnf here.

<tips hat and runs>

I highly recommend graphene.

And for anyone going to a protest to get a cheap burner and flash graphene, then leave your normal phone at home. You can swap phones on your plan pretty easily.

Alternatively, for the very paranoid, go set up a prepaid and anon line and move your device there. Pay cash for the card and set it up online at a public library.

Especially if you’re planning on a little civil disobedience.

Just a reminder, if police think something is about to go down, they’ll spoof the tower and collect device information… including things like phone numbers so if your suddenly changing behavior to go somewhere and do something the fascists dickfucks in office won’t like… best be paranoid.

A second device will still at least keep them from getting all your personal shit. And seriously, Don’t just turn off your normal phone. Leave it at home.